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China has the potential to beat our man to man defense on both sides, (but minimum 1 side) so if we played this, it would be 100% that their offense will beat our defense in outside or inside (maybe both). So if we wanted the chance to catch their qoffense, we had to choose between inside or outside defense.

If China use outside tactic, only their outside player (PG SF SG) that will hurt us.
If China use inside tactic, only their bigmen (PF C SF maybe) that will hurt us.

So where's the 100%? It's either inside or outside, unless they are using normal pace (PTB, BO).

I think the 2. variation is more logic. Before our match China used inside offense more than outside. Thats a fact. So with this tactic we had the chance to beat a way much better team, if they play inside offense, which they used more often in the past.

That fact depends on which team they are facing. With us much weaker at outside, they're bound to use the outside tactic to defeat us. Only if we are weak inside, they will use LI/LP.

I think you should have aware that we're stacked nicely only at bigman position and weak on guards, and I guess the whole Tournament teams knew that, and they will know how to face us. Opening the hole on outside defense will only make them send you a "Thank You" card.

anyway, thanks for your explanation. It does show your different point of view.

Australia-Indonesia 119-112 (in overtime)


I just cant say how do i feel. I am really-really disappointed and sad after this match.

We was in the lead ALL time, unless the last minute in regular time.

With 7 seconds to go at 92-93 Risidanto has two fhree throws, but he missed one---> overtime.

We tried as hard as we can to win this match, and qualify for the semifinal, but our chance now is minimal.

I think i will need a few days to think about this match. We was in the lead whole of the match, free throws for the win, and we lost So sorry guys.

Last edited by LA-Hukli at 10/17/2011 8:58:33 AM

China has the potential to beat our man to man defense on both sides, (but minimum 1 side) so if we played this, it would be 100% that their offense will beat our defense in outside or inside (maybe both). So if we wanted the chance to catch their qoffense, we had to choose between inside or outside defense.


If China use outside tactic, only their outside player (PG SF SG) that will hurt us.
If China use inside tactic, only their bigmen (PF C SF maybe) that will hurt us.

So where's the 100%? It's either inside or outside, unless they are using normal pace (PTB, BO).


I said here is 100% that they will beat our defense AT LEAST one side (but maybe both).

I think you should have aware that we're stacked nicely only at bigman position and weak on guards, and I guess the whole Tournament teams knew that, and they will know how to face us. Opening the hole on outside defense will only make them send you a "Thank You" card.


I know that the opponents knows we are weaker outside, but i know that they knows we know that. You cant play always the same tactic (unless if you are the strongest team).



Btw, you can see we played man to man against Australia, and it didnt worked (maybe, fhree throws for the win, overtime, but finally we lost..)

Against China we played TIE, because i knew that they will play the same, and we will need some power against Aussies, and Hong Kong in the final two rounds. With TIE, our man to man defense wont be effective against China, thats sure.

But against the Aussies, with crunch time i thought it would work. Our outside defense was strong enough, but they beat us in insidem and that was enough for a terrific win. Iam so sorry for this match, we tried as hard as we can to win, but the lest free throw from Risidanto wasnt good

Well, back to square one again, after witnessing you chose Erol again to start instead of Farid or Mere (i'm just being fair, not sided to my player),,, Why? Erol and Mugianto both still young and inexperience, you're putting them to face those Aussies veteran? When watching the game, I've already putting a grin on myself, I know this rare heartbreak will happen and it just did. Chairil is a career 60% FT shooter, so it happens.

Erol is our best center in skills, thats the fact. I think you a bit overrate experience. Expereience is important, but not is high as you think.

If you play man to man, and outside shooting, the most important skills for bigmans--> inside defense, rebounding

Erol: 17+17=34

Farid: 14+18=32

Meire: 14+16=30

If we put experience in that that seems:

Erol: 17+17+4= 38

Farid: 14+18+8= 40

Meire: 14+16+7= 37

So it seems without experience Erol is the best, with experience Farid beat him. BUT: Inside defense is more important than rebounding, so this calculation isnt perfect. Plus there are some other skills which cares for example inside shot (important for center, erol is the best in this).

So its all about mathematics. Ive decided to start with Erol because: He has the best inside defense in the team (much better than Farid), hes rebounding is really good (only -1), hes inside shot is better too, he has the same game shape.

Mugianto is weaker than Erol (in rebs), but he has got much better inside defense than Farid, and better game shape, and these was more important.

But Farid and Meire was backups in this match.

I can't comment anymore on this, as we're playing NT just like we're playing U21, the highest GS will just play. And oh, to be more obvious, Dedi Erol has the lowest DMI among all the bigmen, and you still started him in favor of his highest defense.


I cant comment anymore on this. DMI DOES NOT CARE in this game NOBODY cares about it (you can ask our best managers on the Hungarian forums, or others in the Global forum), just the beginners. Game shape is the most important.



Btw i just dont understand you. Australia beat our inside defense (and not just a bit...) and you wanted me to play with the players who has much (3 levels!) weaker inside defense? What do you think, what happened in this match with lower inside defense? (experience doesnt make much higher inside defense, before you say that).

Mathemathically??? Hey man,, it is not like 5-6 level difference? And you said experience plays little? Did you see who were scoring when Aussie taking their first ever lead on 30seconds before game end? their PF. Seems you really a newbie or whatever,, haha,, man, i would use at least 50% of my veteran strength to fight with you,,, you still didn't know how did you fell apart on 4th quarter? It's because your inexperienced front court get owned by opponent. Whatever good is your prodigious ID, a Wondrous and experienced player just beat you like a piece of cake,,,

No no no, i didn't take DMI heavily,,, don't just use this case to fire back at me,, all i was pointing about the DMI is to the damn GAMESHAPE !!! did you know that higher GS usually have higher DMI?? HEY,, Farid, Mere and Erol all with Strong gameshape, Farid play reservers and Mere is a DNP,,, I don't need to ask your best manager on Hungary or whatever, because the most important I've already know from the start that you are just not the man coz you just relying on the information from those great manager,, not experience it by yourself !!

(experience doesnt make much higher inside defense, before you say that).

until the last 4minutes to end the game,,, sounds familiar huh? :) (*shake head)

Last edited by Nelleas(Timnas-Indo) at 10/17/2011 8:11:42 PM

ya ampunn... sumpah ini 2 orang ga bakal bisa akur sampai masa jabatan dia selesai. hahaha

@nelleas: kalo situ uda ngrasa ngerti semua, knapa ga lu aja yg dr awal maju jd coach? skrg uda ada orang yang mau malah lu komenin terus, ga ada mati2nya, anggepanya semua yg dia lakuin salah semua aja...

ya ampunn... sumpah ini 2 orang ga bakal bisa akur sampai masa jabatan dia selesai. hahaha

@nelleas: kalo situ uda ngrasa ngerti semua, knapa ga lu aja yg dr awal maju jd coach? skrg uda ada orang yang mau malah lu komenin terus, ga ada mati2nya, anggepanya semua yg dia lakuin salah semua aja...

iya brot,, kamu benar,, harus nya saya coba ambil alih sejak awal ,,, setidaknya pemain veteran akan saya mainin,,

You said we lost in the 45th quarter because our experienced player hasnt played. But what would be the score in the fourth if they would be starters? We hasnt been in the lead... I know the importance of experience in the end of the match (or in clutch shots), but i wont play the veterans for the whole match, if they are weaker than the others. And Erol has stupendous ID, not prodigious

Other for all:


As i see, we have to beat Hong Kong 6+ points in the final round, to grab the 2nd place. Not impossible, but very-very hard, but the Indonesian lions will fight till the end!

You said we lost in the 45th quarter because our experienced player hasnt played. But what would be the score in the fourth if they would be starters? We hasnt been in the lead... I know the importance of experience in the end of the match (or in clutch shots), but i wont play the veterans for the whole match, if they are weaker than the others.

As if you think I want Erol and Mugianto to be DNP? What would be the score if Mere is not DNP, and Farid log into the game more than 25minutes? Hey, give respect to the veterans ,,,

And Erol has stupendous ID, not prodigious :)

Yes you win on this one because only you and Erol's owner know the skill :)...

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