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To suggest that anyone who HASN'T been winning knows about the GE is crazy. But I honestly believe that guys who HAVe been winning and have won, indicates they know a thing or two. There is only 1 B3 winner and 2 WCs every year (NT)....for the NTs their nation says a lot about it in terms of size and the number of users who have completely thrown away their team/never done anything but train also helps....but the guys who get the WC get some credit. At the end of the day the BBs should look to these guys for some input, not just ignore them.

On the other hand, take any one of these teams, and have him start a new team in, say, Italia. They're still the same people and still know the engine as well as they did before, but not only are they not winning the B3 any time soon, it may well be 10 seasons or more before they're getting a sniff of the top league. And it may be even harder if they can't rely on having a financial advantage that came with an early start date, and have to build the arena with today's economy rather than the one from early seasons.

Now, of course, if the question is how does the engine work when almost nearly identical teams of incredibly high-salaried players are played in essentially the same tactics over and over, naturally, nobody but the teams that are doing it would have any reasonable input at all. But well over 90% of the users of the game (and that's generous) will never come close to that level - but perhaps there are fellows (Manon, for example currently) who have experience with different tactics and players builds and can contribute information on how those players and tactics perform against a similar level of competition. B3 level players for the most part don't have the luxury - I'm not sure if you're one who's said it, but a major reason given against outside offenses in the elite level of play is that it would be too expensive to have the players needed to make it work. So on the economy of those issues, sure, the B3 players know that perfectly - but how many of them have real experience playing with and against those outside-focused offenses to know how they actually perform in the engine? Would a rejiggering of the salary formula fix the issue, or is there just not effect from certain outside skills, for example?

At the end of the day therea re guys who HAVE PROVED they are smart and can understand the GE and figure it out better than others. THat have PROVEd they know how given players with given stats will perform. Playing for a long time and the right league environment are a factor for sure...but that DOES NOT DESCREDIT THE ACTUAL WINNERS.

That all makes perfect sense... if you're looking to create a new game engine exclusively for the B3. I don't suppose you'll at least acknowledge that it makes business sense for BB to actually put some effort into trying to make the game more appealing for the tens of thousands of people who will never be at that level, rather than act as if the only thing that matters is the less than one percent at the very top.

By your very explanation Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Dan Marino know nothing about their respective sports, because they never won a championship? That is some seriously flawed logic. Manon didn't say he wasn't trying to win with cookie cut builds ( which only show that you take the easiest way out), but that he is trying to build a team to win with his very own strategy. I'd rather play with and against people that play differently. That way when I see a different strategy/style, I know how to engage or defend it properly. It has nothing to do with win at all costs. You play to win, he plays to innovate, I play to have fun. Which one is right?

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Last edited by WFUnDina at 2/22/2013 12:34:13 AM