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Any questions?

From: Music_Chick

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Date: 10/26/2018 7:43:04 AM
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Thank you for the question. I feel as though this is a trap question, but i will answer honestly in hopes that you can see where I am coming from:

I was excited to help the NT in any way, since I had grown a big time attraction to it. I expressed my want to help, and although you agreed to it, you didn't show much willingness or make many attempts to keep me on board. Yes, you did respond to exactly TWO of my messages , but I felt you didn't seem very eager to have anyone help out...even telling me to take a "deep breath" when I showed interest/passion to help out.

I'm sure you can admit, although you are a BB genius, you aren't very WARM AND FUZZY and as I was offering to help you, you could have sent follow up emails to see if I needed anyting else, or communicating with me, as your potential assistant.. Again, could I have spoken up more?? Absolutely, but I guess (and maybe it's just me) I felt that if i was giong out of my way to want to help, I needed to see more effort on your part to be welcoming and show me more attempts that you actually wanted the helper. (hope that all makes sense).

So I guess what i am saying is that, I get your point, but it seems a bit unfair to call me on disappearing, when you didn't post alot throughout the season either and I may have disappeared from you, but in some ways you disappeared from me too(which makes us both in the wrong) so I felt you didn't really want me around. I wanted to help, I just didn't feel welcome. (again, just being honest, as you asked for an answer--I would not have brought this up, if I wasn't asked, so please don't confuse this with someone trying to cause conflict)

I hope you understand. But those are the reasons. I will always help when asked, i just feel it needs to be a two-way street. If I am fortunate enough to win U21, I would love to try to work on the communication becoming better between the two of us, as it is important for NT/U21.


When I was NT Coach and actually had defined roles, I showed how dedicated and available I was.

Ciao!

From: Myles

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Date: 10/26/2018 3:38:19 PM
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I had recently rejoined buzzerbeater for my love of training players. Training is the best part of the game; since it allows you to grow up with your players, and be able to predict the future. I have an urge to be able to train more players, and without spending money, I can do that by managing the u21 team. You're able to train so many more players by showing the ropes to other managers of Canadian players. I also loved the community of buzzerbeater, and adore communicating with other people, so, this u21 ownership would be able to give me a way to speak to new people worldwide.

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Date: 10/26/2018 6:55:58 PM
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I will add mention that Fury is being too humble.

He also, trained and developed Winston Pham, still on his team, who was a G/SF for the S41 USA u21 team as well.

Fury is a very excellent trainer for u21. And if re-development is a concern for your team, you guys will Guaranteed benefit by having him.

From: Myles

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I do believe that it is better off for a Canadian to run the Canadian team. It gives another incentive for the manager to want to win. The Canadian managers already have a spot in the community, in which other managers cannot be trusted, and may have alterior motives.

From: FurY

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First of, thanks for the kind words from others. Sometimes i get brutally honest (from my perspective), that is the flaw that comes with me for better or for worse. I hate losing too.

To address sparky44's concerns, i don't actually disagree with you in the general u21 approach of a nation having full control over it's u21 team from a management and scouting concern. I also am fully aware that you have a spot that is probably not public for some of your information, and i don't currently have access to it as should be the case. However, I would not spend time writing a very specific national team ad to simply pass information off to the US team in some elaborate scheme. In it's most recent worlds run, the US and Canada did not meet at all to my knowledge. In the americas series, the US and Canada played a not so thrilling match due to the talent gap between the two teams. The worlds/americas prior Canada and the USA did not play one another. The last time we played one another in worlds was in season 39, where Canada lasted until the 2nd round of worlds games (should be considered a good result given the manager and talent disadvantage that you play with!). You will also notice my presence in S36 communication, S38 communication, and S39 communication on your u21 threads. I enjoyed a decent working relationship where we talked at least a little in PM and on there about u21 things. I'm not sure if that is enough to gain his trust, but i would hope that you would see the sincerity of my offer to run the u21 from that angle. If nothing else, know that i am not on the usa u21 discord anymore, and while i talk occasionally with jkalltheway every few months via pm or the boards, that it is not involving the u21 team directly anymore. I'll probably revoke my own spreadsheet access.

I think the larger benefit to any nation taking a foreign manager is a different approach to how the u21 is worked from that country's perspective. There is some chance that perhaps Canada is missing out on some of what makes the u21 more effective. I believe the US u21 team is contemplating at minimum the idea of France's former u21 manager taking over their u21 team this season for much the same reason.

If nothing else, i have given Canada another option in a foreign u21 manager with credentials. Food for thought :)

If anyone wants to talk on a discord channel or in pm on discord, i'm on discord @FurySK#0871

Last edited by FurY at 10/26/2018 9:23:14 PM

From: Myles

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A few things:

#1: Your nation is actually lukewarm on electing new foreign leaders; due to your s42 problems with Tehran.

#2: How on earth are we able to believe that you aren't still on those documents, chats & message boards. Just by telling us something, doesn't mean we're going to believe it.

#3: Having a foreign leader would give a certain divide between the nation and it's "government". You will never see a small nation like Monaco asking Ronald Reagan to become their president. Even if a certain president has credentials, you cannot trust somebody who has ties with other nations and is not a citizen of your country.

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If you're going to be running for U21 Manager, you cannot give up after a few failed attempts of communication. I know from experience that there are managers who do not ever respond, but they'll still get a message every few weeks so that I'm able to at least have a chance at making inroads with them.

As the leader of the u21, you cannot just blame it on others as if it's a "two-way street", you've got to be able to accept responsibilities and force yourself to not give up with communication.