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From: Expo
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241553.1
Date: 5/11/2013 9:41:37 AM
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Hi!

I've got this two guys, but I haven't any idea of how I should train them.


Luigi Antonelli (30495169) Centro

Stipendio settimanale: $ 2 563
Ruolo: inutile
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DMI: 8900
Età: 18
Altezza: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potenziale: 8
Forma: 7
Tiro in sosp.: 4 Distanza di tiro: 3
Dif. perimetrale: 7 Palleggio: 5
Penetrazione: 4 Passaggio: 4
Tiro da sotto: 6 Difesa in area: 5
Rimbalzo: 6 Stoppata: 5
Resistenza: 5 Tiri liberi: 7

Esperienza: 1

Enzo Magutto (30495163) Centro

Stipendio settimanale: $ 1 946
Ruolo: inutile
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DMI: 6300
Età: 18
Altezza: 6'11" / 211 cm
Potenziale: 10
Forma: 7
Tiro in sosp.: 1 Distanza di tiro: 3
Dif. perimetrale: 1 Palleggio: 5
Penetrazione: 7 Passaggio: 6
Tiro da sotto: 5 ↑ Difesa in area: 5
Rimbalzo: 6 Stoppata: 4
Resistenza: 1 Tiri liberi: 8

Esperienza: 1

Someone told me that I should train them in ID while I've reached 13. Other people suggested me to buy a small boy (under 1.90) for training them in OD and secondary skills and then, after two seasons, starting in traning them in big guy skills. What shoul I do?

From: Big Dogs

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241553.2 in reply to 241553.1
Date: 5/11/2013 11:44:26 AM
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Other people suggested me to buy a small boy (under 1.90) for training them in OD and secondary skills and then, after two seasons, starting in traning them in big guy skills. What shoul I do?


First off, you are really lucky! You got not 1, but 2 18 year olds with great potential when you first join BB.

Secondly, I would train them in OD/1v1/PA. Not only will this increase their value, but it would also keep their salary low, improve their performance, and will be a bit easier to do, since you are in D5 Italia. Whether or not you buy a guard to train guard skills, that is your decision.

If you do decide to buy such a player, try to get one that has star or allstar potential. You don't need a player that has high potential. Also make sure that you don't pay too high a price to get him. Since they will be the 3rd guy in the training rotation, their role wouldn't be as important.


Someone told me that I should train them in ID while I've reached 13.


I would advise you not to train their ID straight to 13. After a while, the training speed of their ID would slow down if it got a lot higher than their IS and REB.

The farther away a skill is from related skills, the slower it will train. Inversely, the lower a skill is to related skills, the faster it will train and pop until it is near the level of the related skills. This is called the elastic effect. You can compare it to a rubber band when it is stretched back and forth.

In summary:
- Train their secondaries first
- If you buy a guard, make sure their potential isn't too high and the price to get them is cheap
- The elastic effect can would hurt their training speed in ID if all you did was train it to 13 without any other inside skill pops

Good luck training them!

Last edited by Big Dogs at 5/11/2013 11:45:41 AM

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241553.3 in reply to 241553.1
Date: 5/11/2013 12:37:05 PM
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I would look at selling the 2nd guy. His high potential is attractive on the market but his low starting skils means that he'll never come close to reaching that potential. If you wait until he turns 19, his transfer value likely goes down.

The first guy is a very nice prospect. Concentrate on him and as Wolf recommended, start with his guard skills. Jump shot and 1 on 1 training probably being the best places to start.

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241553.4 in reply to 241553.2
Date: 5/12/2013 3:02:51 AM
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Secondly, I would train them in OD/1v1/PA. Not only will this increase their value, but it would also keep their salary low, improve their performance, and will be a bit easier to do, since you are in D5 Italia. Whether or not you buy a guard to train guard skills, that is your decision.

If you do decide to buy such a player, try to get one that has star or allstar potential. You don't need a player that has high potential. Also make sure that you don't pay too high a price to get him. Since they will be the 3rd guy in the training rotation, their role wouldn't be as important.


Someone told me that I should train them in ID while I've reached 13.


I would advise you not to train their ID straight to 13. After a while, the training speed of their ID would slow down if it got a lot higher than their IS and REB.

The farther away a skill is from related skills, the slower it will train. Inversely, the lower a skill is to related skills, the faster it will train and pop until it is near the level of the related skills. This is called the elastic effect. You can compare it to a rubber band when it is stretched back and forth.

In summary:
- Train their secondaries first
- If you buy a guard, make sure their potential isn't too high and the price to get them is cheap
- The elastic effect can would hurt their training speed in ID if all you did was train it to 13 without any other inside skill pops

Good luck training them!


An example of primary skills that the guard I've to buy must have?
How long should I train them in secondary skills?

I don't think I'm gonna sell the legendary guy!
Thanks for answer guys :)

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241553.5 in reply to 241553.2
Date: 5/12/2013 3:11:27 AM
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I've got even this two guys. One of them could be the third trainers?


Carmelo Minerva (30495165) Playmaker

Stipendio settimanale: $ 1 706
Ruolo: inutile
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DMI: 5600
Età: 18
Altezza: 5'11" / 180 cm
Potenziale: 2
Forma: 7
Tiro in sosp.: 4 Distanza di tiro: 4
Dif. perimetrale: 5 Palleggio: 5
Penetrazione: 5. Passaggio: 5
Tiro da sotto: 3 Difesa in area: 3
Rimbalzo: 1 Stoppata: 6
Resistenza: 4 Tiri liberi: 6

Esperienza: atroce
Luca Triuzzi (30495174) Playmaker

Stipendio settimanale: $ 1 445
Ruolo: inutile
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DMI: 4700
Età: 22
Altezza: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potenziale: 4
Forma: 7
Tiro in sosp.: 4 Distanza di tiro: 6
Dif. perimetrale: 3 Palleggio: 3
Penetrazione: 6 Passaggio: 5
Tiro da sotto: 7 Difesa in area: 1
Rimbalzo: 1 Stoppata: 4
Resistenza: 6 Tiri liberi: 3

Esperienza: atroce

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241553.6 in reply to 241553.5
Date: 5/12/2013 7:44:50 AM
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Don't waste your time on either of them. The first guy has terrible potential and the 2nd guy is too old.

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241553.7 in reply to 241553.6
Date: 5/12/2013 11:02:41 AM
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Don't waste your time on either of them. The first guy has terrible potential and the 2nd guy is too old.


Lol.

I've bought this for 6k. Is it good for beginning this type of training?

Ger Baré (27564651) Guardia

Stipendio settimanale: $ 3 193
Ruolo: inutile
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DMI: 17400
Età: 19
Altezza: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potenziale: 4
Forma: 7
Tiro in sosp.: 8 Distanza di tiro: 8
Dif. perimetrale: 7 Palleggio: 6
Penetrazione: 6 Passaggio: 3
Tiro da sotto: 3 Difesa in area: 3
Rimbalzo: 1 Stoppata: 5
Resistenza: 3 Tiri liberi: 1

Esperienza: 1

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241553.8 in reply to 241553.7
Date: 5/12/2013 1:00:11 PM
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He's a decent prospect but remember, you want to have players that you can train the same skills together. That's very important. So sometimes having a 6 foot guard prospect and a 7 foot Center prospect isn't ideal (although it might be in this case, at least in the short run).

Still that's a good purchase, you can probably pump up his guard skills for a season or two and then sell him on the market for a huge profit just around the time you start training big man skills with your other guys.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 5/12/2013 1:00:44 PM

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241553.9 in reply to 241553.8
Date: 5/12/2013 1:15:32 PM
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Okay :)

But if I'll take them as my future guard, isn't he good? I mean a 15/20k guard could be interesting?

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241553.10 in reply to 241553.9
Date: 5/12/2013 1:34:05 PM
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If you want to train your 2 bigs properly, you'll never be able to train that guard up too $15K. Or vice versa.

Don't make the mistake that many new users make and load your roster full of players, both bigs and guards, that are all still young and in their training years. You want to either train 2-3 young bigs or 2-3 young guards and buy vets everywhere else to fill out your roster. You simply can't train an entire roster and you can't train both bigs and guards effectively. It's neither cost efficient nor a very smart strategy.

Plus as you promote, you'll need to upgrade your players anyways. So suddenly a guard worth $5-10K isn't somebody that you'll still want.

All that said, you're off to a good start.

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241553.11 in reply to 241553.10
Date: 5/12/2013 1:38:40 PM
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If you want to train your 2 bigs properly, you'll never be able to train that guard up too $15K. Or vice versa.

Don't make the mistake that many new users make and load your roster full of players, both bigs and guards, that are all still young and in their training years. You want to either train 2-3 young bigs or 2-3 young guards and buy vets everywhere else to fill out your roster. You simply can't train an entire roster and you can't train both bigs and guards effectively. It's neither cost efficient nor a very smart strategy.

Plus as you promote, you'll need to upgrade your players anyways. So suddenly a guard worth $5-10K isn't somebody that you'll still want.

All that said, you're off to a good start.


:( Thanks..