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100857.1
Date: 7/10/2009 11:50:23 PM
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Is it the small foward that is the key difference between these set ups?

ie. The 2-3 zone keeps the SF inside, using his ID etc. And the 3-2 pushes him to the perimeter using his OD and handling.



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100857.2 in reply to 100857.1
Date: 7/11/2009 2:24:24 AM
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Playing defense is not as much as playing to your strength as it is playing to your opponent's weaknees.

I.E: If your opponent uses Motion or Run & Gun, you should use 3-2.
If your opponent uses Look Inside or Low Post, you should use 2-3.

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100857.3 in reply to 100857.1
Date: 7/12/2009 5:25:23 AM
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I guess what you are asking is not which defense to use but whether the SF causes the difference or not. And this is something I am willing to learn too.

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100857.4 in reply to 100857.2
Date: 7/12/2009 9:55:13 AM
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I.E: If your opponent uses Motion or Run & Gun, you should use 3-2.


Not always as you may not want to take the rebounding hit. Sometimes the key to stopping a good outside offense is not just to force him to miss but also to get the rebound after he misses.

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100857.5 in reply to 100857.4
Date: 7/12/2009 10:45:14 AM
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The small forward is a position that must adapt. As the person who talked strategy says, he can play 2-3 inside or he can play 3-2 outside. Some teams will play three guards to strengthen both outside defense and scoring, at the cost of their inside game. Other teams abandon the outside game, and strengthen rebounding and inside defense by adding a third forward at small forward. A true do-it-all small forward is a super star. If you don't have that try to get two players one who plays well outside, and one who plays well inside. You can switch players as you change strategy.

In the 3-2 your small forward should be a good rebounder. In BB I've seen an SF of comparable skills (actually a level lower than my big guys) equal the inside men in rebounds. I expected that of the 2-3 but I think it's true of both. Strangely (or maybe what BB designed to do) the SF plays inside on rebounds and outside on defense.

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100857.7 in reply to 100857.6
Date: 7/14/2009 12:59:47 PM
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The outside defensive efficiency is not the same as his outside defense skill: it depends on other things as well (similarly for "inside defensive efficiency").


My impression is that it is more match-up based... So the principle weight is how the SF (in this example) matches up against the other SF. There is a modifier based on the inside and outside offensive and defensive "efficiency". However, the main component that determines if a shot goes in is the individual match-up.

Anyhow, that's just my impression.

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From: CrazyEye

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100857.9 in reply to 100857.8
Date: 7/15/2009 4:56:19 AM
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when i remember correctly, there is a higher rate in "help defence" in the Zone(effect of the team ratings) - but if you play a Zone with a sf without OD against a well shooting sf he willscore a lot even if you have two outstanding defenders on SG and PG . So the individual skills are still the most important.

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100857.10 in reply to 100857.9
Date: 7/15/2009 5:31:04 PM
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There's another way to phrase the original question, that I think gets at these issues. That is, does (say) the PG's outside defense ability change between 2-3 and 3-2? If the effect was only in where you positioned the SF, then the answer would be no (at least not directly). However, Coco's GE interpretation suggests that it would be directly affected. I'm inclined to go with Coco's explanation.

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100857.11 in reply to 100857.10
Date: 7/16/2009 4:52:46 AM
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hmm, so the game stays man on man, with team changes to outer and inner defence depending on the zone you choose.
And the Small Fowards role is to be a bit of an allrounder.
How much does everyone follow this guide line?

From: GM-ReDonkulous
Small Forward
(1) Jump Shot, Jump Range, Outside Defense
(2) Handling, Passing, Driving
(3) Inside Shot, Inside Defense
(4) Rebounding

I would have thaught the inside defence and rebounding should have been higher.
(thats probably because im use to a 2-3 zone in normal basket ball)
tho looking at the training page the SF position is quite far out (if thats anything to go by)