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Wow Perpete, you're doing extra time: question time is not until next week ;)!!! But seriously, thanks for the patience and for being particularly active in this thread with your opinions as a user rather than EGM.

Oh yeah, and BB App? I mean come on. How hard is it. You want to get rid of cheaters signing up like crazy? limit signing up in a way, make a perk of some sort, figure it out. It can't be that hard to make it more secure. BB App is a must, and it must be free.

Not the right thread, but I fail to see the link between App and Sign-Up. Are you arguing for people to prove they exist, some kind of sign-up through Facebook ? Or limit BB to people having smartphone ? In both case, that would not be a good idea. People do like their privacy and there is many people without a smartphone. Not that the App is wished because of fringe cheating.

I figured the reason BBs don't want the app (at least one of the reasons) was that it would lead to uncontrollable cheating. I am not saying facebook. For instance, Yahoo at some point did not let you create an account via mobile, you were obligated to go through PC, yet afterwards you can login and use your mail however you wish.

But perhaps wrong thread. On-topic

Pakistan may just be the first of many. I will give you an example that is close and known to me. Moldova currently has 11 users currently. Out of those, one has not logged in for a month so they will be looking at 10 soon. Me? I see my own community dropping 20 users each season and it pains me. If I was part of a hopeless community with 10 users, that would suck and I would leave. With 10 users you have no NTs, no one trains, no one candidates, except for some 4th/5th league foreigners.
Moldova and Romania are basically the same people let's say, we speak the same language, we understand each other. If I had the opportunity, I would gladly sign up for Moldavian basketball with a second team. And I am 100% sure, others are in the same situation(other countries), and would do the same. What would you say is the greatest obstacle for this? I really don't think they would mind, I don't think we would either. I don't think it would lead to imbalance, and if it would, BBs could build some constraints.

Common Sense of the BBs says this: We will just make minor improvements to the game, not address the constant drop of users because BB is well above a self-sustainable user number, and hope we never reach that limit, while eventually user numbers will climb by themselves or at least remain constant.

I am not against this at all. But what if they are wrong, what if we are closer to that limit than we all can realize ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I don't understand it properly.

Utlimately it shoudd be a $$$ decision for the BBs about what is the best for their business and making money.

BINGO!!!

Now why not let them make their decision and live with it.

Don't be offended please, but that's not very intelligent. It's like saying why not let your parents decide what you eat every day, even though you have your own apartment, kitchen, etc. ...

No offense taken, but your analogy misses its mark. One is not one's parents' property. This game IS property of its owners (the BB's I suppose). You can agree with someone else's sky-is-falling attitude, but you'll have to defend it better than that.

in general, i don't really mind the whole BB Concept.
however you are right that perhaps i did not use the best analogy. the fact at matter. BB has a lot of awesome stuff, it has the viewer, which i have to b honest, it was one of the things that got me hooked when i first started. Then it has the whole training philosophy which has a lot of perks. i don't want to come out as a person who has negative attitude towards BB. I respect and love what they do.

the idea is that, like any company, they are facing change. and love it or not they need to make a timed decision. do it too soon and it may be a mistake. do it too late and it ruins you. pakistan is just one of the "tips of the iceberg" and it may be that it was caused by a delay in the BB decision. you could argue it, yes, but the reason why this thread exists is why do micronations suffer like that and can we prevent it? or even improve it. my personal issue is that they asked us what we want and they ignored the answer.

Fair enough, but I have a question. You say,

my personal issue is that they asked us what we want and they ignored the answer.

It seems to me that perpete has examined and addressed every workable suggestion for pros and cons. What workable answer do you think they are ignoring?

I figured the reason BBs don't want the app (at least one of the reasons) was that it would lead to uncontrollable cheating.

So you've figured nothing. The reason BB don't have app is really trivial - lack of money do create it.

So what was the Utopia cash grab used for?

Thats more than enough to get an app done...

Tbh. I think the App should be introduced after some minor changes are introduced - so maybe in 2017 or so...