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That is not the only "excuse" I gave, but whatever. If you allow 150 italians, 80 brasilians, 90 aussies in China, is that OK ? Either we open for everyone or for nobody.

The people playing in Japan are/were like 99% American, and one of those guys in Pakistan was an American soldier if I remember correctly. I don't think you would offend the locals, if they are not interested anyway.

I really doubt Italians, Brazilians and Aussies have a huge desire to Play in China. But maybe some Chinese would like to play in Macao.

There is some room to maneuver and I think sooner or later something has to happen, no matter if the rules forbid - those can be changed.

The game would be stupid, if there were no micronations. What I mean, the game would be stupid, if we had too few nations. There wold be no diversity..

I do agree there is not many people in micronations (hence the name), but if you allow some of those managers to play elsewhere, there will be even less people in those nations, bleeding them even more.

That is not a solution for the micronations, that is a solution for some users.

There you are, the heart of the matter.

That is also why the conversation goes on ... and on ... and on ... the ego and sense of entitlement of "some users."

Well, let's put it this way. They all have issues with the current situation, even Malice recognised as much.

There is one side (Trainerman) proposing a solution. There is another side saying they recognise the problem but dismissing any solution. I don't see any constructive criticism from this second side.

If they do believe there is a problem they should also propose a solution, not just criticise proposals from others. Otherwise if there is a problem and they don't have any better solution they should ask the managers in that situation what they think about the proposals which have been put forward (even if they don't agree with them).

My guess is nobody wants to ask the managers in micronations because they would vote to be able to change the nation given the choice (one of the proposals from Trainerman)

That is not a solution for the micronations, that is a solution for some users.

There you are, the heart of the matter.

Yes this is indeed the heart of the matter and if there are no better proposals (do you have any? Just curious) they should let them vote, because the same argument applies tenfold to the current system ("it only works for some users"), as it actually works for no known user (even Malice isn't entirely happy with the current situation).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/23/2015 12:44:26 PM

We are all somewhere. We all make the best of where we are.

Well, not all of us, I guess.

There is one side (Trainerman) proposing a solution. There is another side saying they recognise the problem but dismissing any solution. I don't see any constructive criticism from this second side.

No, there is one guy insisting (over and over) that he hates his situation. His "solutions" don't fly because he overstates the "problem" and each "solution" makes things worse.

...if there are no better proposals (do you have any? Just curious)...

I do. Bloom where you are planted and shut up about it.

Look, I understand where you're coming from, but I could tell you the same thing you told me in the other thread (both sides here are doing it). Besides neither you nor I should have a say in this, so while I accept the "it's not great, but if there is no solution leave it as it is" take from Malice, I don't think people in 100+ nations are qualified to tell those who live there how they game experience should be.

It's for the BBs and the users in those (micro)nations to decide that. Here you have a fundamental difference between 2 views and both claim to represent the majority. Let them have a poll so it's clear if there is a problem, how big the problem is and what solution people would prefer as a solution. I understand revolutioning the system may not be possible, but letting people relocate (under certain rules) should be allowed if the majority feels that way and if the BBs, the EGMs you or anybody else cannot come up with a better solution. The rest is hot air.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/23/2015 6:17:47 PM

Would you seriously report us and get us all closed down. Would you work together with perpete to make sure we didn'T play BB at all since we were not longer willing to do the, full on retarded, JBBL nonsense?

Wolph, it's never been *me* reporting teams for real or perceived cheating...

I applaud you for being supportive of the NT/U21 team - in particular the U21 team. I also agree with you on the issue of Japanese names (and even more the appearances!)... I do disagree with you on what a fix for the overall situation is, and to what degree it's actually a problem.

I guess that's where we find ourselves.