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Again, more than a little unfair in your depiction, wolph. You misrepresent me, and what I've said on several occasions - and really don't address it when pointed out.
C'est la vie.

A few things tho'...
I never said "that the majority of Japan users and winners have not quit". I did state that of those that have won the title in the last 10 seasons, only two have quit (you might want to check, but I'm pretty sure that you're still here). Nor did I say "that the majority of large nation winners have quit as well". What was said

lots of past winners of every nation have quit.

I'd guess it's true. Again... "lots" is an extremely subjective term.
Repeatedly, I have stated that I don't pretend to either have the answers or represent a large swathe of users. You do, on both counts.
Wolph, you neither present viable solutions to this issue, nor do you represent Nippon... or users from within other small nations. You represent you. I've put forward no absolutes, and whilst critical of your point of view I have managed to not be critical of you. All I've offered is a point of view from another Nippon user that differs to yours, that may be interesting for other people involved in this conversation.

The managers you named: they quit after many, many seasons of playing. I pose this question - if the situation is so untenable, why did they stay (and in some cases come back repeatedly) for so long?

Would BB Nippon be stronger if they'd stayed? Of course! But again... this is probably (again) true of every nation.
That said, they've gone, others step up. Most of those you've named were done 'n dusted before I (admittedly still being a relatively newcomer to BB) arrived.
You're right - strong teams have gone. But now there are others that have stepped up - Isehara is a perennial winner. Toranaga is a team that has enjoyed success for a very long time. YC's still here, and always a threat to take one/both of the double. The Buckeyes have stepped up. And there are others in the JBBL that always have to be taken seriously and prepared for. Again... I'd guess this is true for most nations (people leave, others step up).

Look, I am absolutely not saying all's well... but is the sky falling? I don't see it that way.

I have quit. Don7t count me in your non-quitters. I have BEGGED to have my Nippon team shutdown provided I can keep my Utopia team. Marin said he will consider it...but he is busier with ohter matters...if for some reason he has the time, energy and figures a way out to get 'er done...I will dissapear from the Nippon leagues faster than you can say the number to answer the question.

Yet here you are. And in the JBBL no less, and offering to train up players. Until you're out, you're in. Don't equivocate: you're STILL here!

How many people have won titles in the last 10 seasons??? LOL!!!

Saying only 2 people quit......Is kinda odd way of saying the majority have quit don't you think? Phrase it the way that feeds your point, not the way that paints the reality of the situation....

Erm... Last time I checked, 2 isn't a majority of 5.

I'm not trying to represent anything...I am speaking the truth which is waiting for the guys running the show to discover.

No wolph, you're offering opinion.

But now there are others that have stepped up -

Winning because the guys you could never have beaten on your best day all quit hte stupid game is not stepping up. Its winning because there has to be a winner. By your logic, if nippon had 1 user, and he was in the b3 every year, that would mean he was as great a manager as any before...bullox.

Now who's tooting their own horn? That made me smile.
By your logic, we should have no nations, just one big free-for-all.

Meh... whatever.

That is not the only "excuse" I gave, but whatever. If you allow 150 italians, 80 brasilians, 90 aussies in China, is that OK ? Either we open for everyone or for nobody.

The people playing in Japan are/were like 99% American, and one of those guys in Pakistan was an American soldier if I remember correctly. I don't think you would offend the locals, if they are not interested anyway.

I really doubt Italians, Brazilians and Aussies have a huge desire to Play in China. But maybe some Chinese would like to play in Macao.

There is some room to maneuver and I think sooner or later something has to happen, no matter if the rules forbid - those can be changed.

The game would be stupid, if there were no micronations. What I mean, the game would be stupid, if we had too few nations. There wold be no diversity..

I do agree there is not many people in micronations (hence the name), but if you allow some of those managers to play elsewhere, there will be even less people in those nations, bleeding them even more.

That is not a solution for the micronations, that is a solution for some users.

There you are, the heart of the matter.

That is also why the conversation goes on ... and on ... and on ... the ego and sense of entitlement of "some users."

Well, let's put it this way. They all have issues with the current situation, even Malice recognised as much.

There is one side (Trainerman) proposing a solution. There is another side saying they recognise the problem but dismissing any solution. I don't see any constructive criticism from this second side.

If they do believe there is a problem they should also propose a solution, not just criticise proposals from others. Otherwise if there is a problem and they don't have any better solution they should ask the managers in that situation what they think about the proposals which have been put forward (even if they don't agree with them).

My guess is nobody wants to ask the managers in micronations because they would vote to be able to change the nation given the choice (one of the proposals from Trainerman)

That is not a solution for the micronations, that is a solution for some users.

There you are, the heart of the matter.

Yes this is indeed the heart of the matter and if there are no better proposals (do you have any? Just curious) they should let them vote, because the same argument applies tenfold to the current system ("it only works for some users"), as it actually works for no known user (even Malice isn't entirely happy with the current situation).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/23/2015 12:44:26 PM