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I guess others are not as optimistic as you in terms of boosting the numbers, especially in smaller nations. That said, let's wait until the season's news, you never know, they might have some surprise :)

I guess others are not as optimistic as you in terms of boosting the numbers, especially in smaller nations. That said, let's wait until the season's news, you never know, they might have some surprise

I didn't say that... I just have no problem with there being a small number of active players in Japan. It's been about the same for several seasons now.

I also don't proclaim to be speaking for other users, but in lieu of their being inactive in discussion, I'm *guessing* they're at least content with the status quo.

I also think another point that NEVER gets discussed is the possibility that an amalgamation of smaller nations might end up in a significantly smaller sum total. Watering down identity might end up with some pretty negative results (which is why I think the BBs have never appeared interested in doing this).
If I were in an *Asia* league, rather than Japan, I do think I'd be less enthused.

Here's the main problem I have with India. The small number of users means that tanking for a few seasons is rewarded as one builds up a warchest and then buys a good salary efficient team. Because winning has such an impact on fans, those teams get significantly more money keeping them on top. It's a cycle that's hard to break.

The primary problem there is tanking, compounded by being in a small nation. But... it's still an option available to all within that nation.
*Staying on top* isn't really a viable option in ANY league. In bigger nations, salaries get so high that it's simply not possible to do so ad infinitum. Players age, and if you're running a roster of guys with a salary of 750k-1mil, sooner or later they're going to age to the point of where you're not on top, then you'll have to retool/rebuild.

That's fair enough and there is always the option of tanking. I just think that tanking is a more viable option in micronations and may even be the only viable strategy.

The primary problem there is tanking, compounded by being in a small nation. But... it's still an option available to all within that nation.
*Staying on top* isn't really a viable option in ANY league. In bigger nations, salaries get so high that it's simply not possible to do so ad infinitum. Players age, and if you're running a roster of guys with a salary of 750k-1mil, sooner or later they're going to age to the point of where you're not on top, then you'll have to retool/rebuild.

I'm trying to follow this conversation, and one thing escapes me so far. What's to prevent retooling bit by bit season after season, and remaining competitive?

I'm not pretending that this doesn't happen - I'm sure it does. But within the very limited scope of my experience, the vast majority of teams have to take a season off (in some cases, more) if they want to be successful continually. Yes, there are some that are so successful that it feeds itself. I'd also guess that this could be even more likely within very small nations.

I'm not pretending to have all the answers... or even any. I just don't see it as the whole *sky-is-falling* issue some appear to believe it is.

wolph? That's a personal attack. Incorrect as well. There was no self-aggrandizement there, at all. You only choose to see it that way because, well... that's your MO. You have a tendency to play the man, rather than the ball when someone disagrees with you.

But to address your... erm... *points*:

Where to start?
Well, stating that "by-and-large everyone has quit" is a bit incongruous, as "everyone" is an absolute - and "by-and-large" isn't. To wit, you're still here. Actually, scrolling back - going back 10 seasons, there are only two past winners of the JBBL that have quit (Kawaguchi/Stunners). Every other player that's won is still playing.
"5 times"? So... over the years, Japan's had more than 50 "active, competitive users"? Umm...

Here's a reality: by and large, lots of past winners of every nation have quit. The thing is, with browser-based games like this, they have a shelf-life. They're not for everyone, and they're certainly not created with the intention of retaining every single person that plays. Every BB nation has a degree of resignations, it's not something particular to Japan... nor is it particular to BB. But new players come in - the key is how to keep THOSE ones here.

"Hate"? That's a strong word, one I very much doubt is at all accurate. If they *hated* it, they wouldn't be here. Even if they felt strongly about it - where are they? I'm prepared to say that I only speak for me in that "I don't see it as the problem you do."

Additionally, don't do the "malice thinks this... malice likes this" BS, 'k? It's (still) old. As stated before: I would prefer to be playing in a larger nation, but I'm where I am, and I'm fine with that. Pardon me for contentment. The BBs aren't catering to anyone on this - just because their opinion is a) unknown and b) doesn't appear to fall in line with yours doesn't make them wrong/foolish/evil.

Reiterating: yes, I know wolph: we have a history. Doesn't give you the privilege of derision.