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Dude, what do you want me to say, or do? Nash my teeth, whine like a baby, call people names, threaten to give up, etc? That's not constructive at all. I am just being pragmatic. Seriously, if you haven't been able to see that the market has been headed in this direction, then you have to open your eyes a bit more. Players are finally starting to reach maturity, meaning we have 30-34 year old players with great skills flooding the market. At present there are 179 players over 30 with salaries of more than 50k on the TL. In season 7 there were 0. Is that so difficult to understand? There are also the 26-30 year old players who have been trained on long-term plans, and they are amazing also. At present there are 295 26-29 year olds on the market with salaries over 70k. 8-10 seasons ago, when those players were beginning their training, their managers were paying 4-7 million for guys with triple wondrous skills. In season 7 those triple wondrous guys were jaw-droppingly good. Now they have TPEs of 500k-800k.
So you either have to accept that the value of a triple wondrous player isn't what it was several seasons ago, or not. It's completely up to you. I was just giving my opinion of where the market is. I don't have or make enough money to improve my team on the TL, so I am training players for my team, like I have basically always done.

My perception is that you're lecturing, just like you always do. I accept it. I'm taking your perspective: everything is fine... :-)

Sorry if you see it that way. It's just my opinion. No more or less. Take it with three or four grains of salt.

I also think that the market is particularly low, and there is another thread that emphatically talks about rescuing the game... what do you think about this point?

I was responding to this- in particular the, "what do you think..." part.

I also notice that I specifically said, "in my opinion." If you don't want to know what people think, don't ask, "what do you think..."

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 08/12/2011 05:09:15

Well what's the problem with this price tag, how much should he sell for ? This player is 32, has been injured for 10 days, mediocre GS before today's update, he is a player for a starting team. Sure, he went for a bit cheap, good for the buyer. Now who in this thread would have bought him ?

The market has crashed out more than a year ago. Prices were too high and still on the rise. The crash was a market correction, today's market is the regular market. Outstanding players are still high-priced, insignificant players are not.

i understand where your going with the JS theory and its a good one. and i know what you mean by defense wins games. thats all ive done this season is focus on getting a better defense after last seasons dissapointment. i had the best offense in the league yet i lost in the semifinals.

so on that note i think his high jump shot could be very useful for D4. i am 100% positive i will promote at the end of the season because no other team can compete with mine in my league. i am trying to build my team NOW so i can compete in D4. i dont want to get to D4 and be relegated the season i get there. i want to be a playoff team the season i get there and hopefully get promoted within a couple seasons. so i thought for the money this is a must. his passing blows but i got other guards and even forwards who all have good passing skills and some even great. plus his OD is a huge improvment from my SF OD now

this in my opinion was an investment for the future and will serve me great for the present.

Outstanding players are still high-priced, insignificant players are not.

Top (NT-)centers are sold for next to nothing and thats not how the market should treat those players.

Top (NT-)centers are sold for next to nothing and thats not how the market should treat those players.

Because they're not worth more than that.
Correlation of their skills value to their costs (wage) determines their market price.
So, price of the transfer is low because the buyer will pay additional costs (not hidden) caused by monstrous wage of the player.
The higher wage of the player you create the less money will get to your treasure house.
Simple as that.

And they're playing in NT mostly because they're trained in 3 to 4 skills.
3 to 4 out of 12.

Last edited by Hawkeyed at 08/12/2011 12:14:31

Top (NT-)centers are sold for next to nothing and thats not how the market should treat those players.

Because they're not worth more than that.
Correlation of their skills value to their costs (wage) determines their market price.

Are you kiddin me? lol what a stupid set phrase.

A market price is always the result of supply and demand and nothing more nothing less. Demand is low because almost nobody can afford these players and they are the swagmen of this game.

If those "3 or 4" skill players really were that bad they would be replaced in their NTs by some 180k centers with higher B-skills.

They're not that bad.
Like you mentioned - demand for that kind of players with that kind of wages is low.
For many league levels they're just overskilled in those 3 or 4 skills.

I remember the time (couple seasons ago) when almost nobody wanted that kind of players - I've seen all of them in V or IV Divisions. There was no need to have them in the roster.
But BB is getting more and more competitive - each season.
Now you can see a lot of high-wage C's in many top league teams.
Not only because they are able to afford them.
But mostly because they want to be competitive.

Last edited by Hawkeyed at 08/12/2011 12:23:24

This market is not a real problem if you buy and sell at the same time.
The black hole is here: (182720.139)
Anyway it really make no sense to buy a 18 yo paying him a lot of money cause if the market will not change you'll never get back the money invested. In any case I still continue to consider the draft an unfair way to make some gift to some random teams.

Outstanding players but affordable players, by anyone. Affordable players, 95%+ of the market.

Which centers ? The freaks or the sustainable ones ?
How much is next to nothing ? Is more than a million next to nothing ? You simply don't know or don't remember how much is worth a million for 95% of the users.

The market for 200k centers is small, only D.I teams can afford them. How many 200k centers and how many teams with the desire and the finances to have one ? I don't know the actual numbers but from the looks of it, these centers are flooding the market.
The freaks are another completely different issue.
Hundreds of users scan and scrutinize the TL daily. If you can't sell a high wage player it's because he is not desirable for that price at the present time. You can trust the market on that one.

And salary is an important part of the deal, look, when you replace your trainer, you are willing to bid higher for a lower wage trainer because you have worked out you save money in the long term.
Higher wages don't mean automatic higher bids for players. And that's without even starting to discuss skill values.