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From: Isaiah
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Date: 03/08/2019 11:08:10
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I've been messing with the idea for a few trainees of mine of making the ultimate defensive monster with 20OD, 20ID, and 20SB. That got me thinking, has this been done before??

To go even further, training simulators show that I can get him to 20PA too, all while staying just below the Superstar Cap.

Let's have fun with this, what would such a player mean for BB? How do you think his stats would be? I will say this, his scoring skills will be very low, so he shouldn't take many shots.

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Date: 03/08/2019 12:42:08
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Yes, negative elastic effect is something I'm curious about too. Because currently, I'm not sure if the training sim takes that into consideration. Never the less, training simulators has those 20s being reached by age 25. So that at least gives some time to throw in the 1v1. However, that might also mean take away REB to train 1v1 earlier.

(For further information, such a player planned had 13REB too)

Last edited by Isaiah at 03/08/2019 12:42:59

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Date: 03/08/2019 22:19:10
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Nachtmahr didn't quite get there, his player Haek had no 20 in those skills (it was 18 if memory serves me right, which is a more reasonable target). And he also came short of his planned target, so I'm pretty positive 20 OD/PA/ID/SB may be achievable only with good starting skills, perfect height and sacrificing everything else.

I would give up OD and train RB instead. Get mediocre to decent JS/JR and just get the player to play PG and defend inside. Something like: 11/11/13 9/9/20 9/19/19/16. This alone is a very challenging target, but at least the inside skills will help each other with elastics and the only thing you will really train very much against elastics is OD. This player can hit the occasional 3pt shot and layup on a mediocre, but not horrific FG% especially if he is able to get to the line despite the lack of DR. He would mostly pass the ball and lock down big men.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 03/08/2019 22:23:59

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Date: 03/09/2019 18:40:49
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Haek had both D at 17-18 and SB at 19. For a player like this you should aim for really low Driving (only Handling ideally) provided you just want a wall. Players like these are useful on NTs. They should also aim for a +12RB since 90% of the time that's the position they'll guard.

From: khenry

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Date: 03/10/2019 18:49:42
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Not SS but...


I once had a team with 1757 players and was $25,835,360 in debt. This is not that team. Join the Discord group open to anyone, but especially for USA managers to improve your club or get involved with the U21 and NT programs (https://discord.gg/cKpNkt2).
From: hene10

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Date: 03/11/2019 02:08:01
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I've trained player who have ID20, SB20 and OD18. He also have nice passing skill...

From: J-Freak

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Date: 03/11/2019 03:45:31
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Let me guess he's a pain in the ass ;)

From: hene10

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Date: 03/11/2019 09:32:48
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Ooooooh you clever bastard

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Date: 03/11/2019 14:20:42
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These players are all black holes on offense. The only way to limit the damage is to make them into a PG and hope they don't shoot (so I would really go for someone with starting 1 DR and never ever train DR or HA). However training a 140 TSP player against elastics is pure fantasy.

I trained a big man with almost 130 and 66 inside skills and with 12 IS and 13 PA he was a huge problem on offense. I've seen players with 19/21 ID/SB in the EBBL and they did not stop top big men. In fact too high OD may even force more inside shots which have a more efficient baseline even against elite defense.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 03/11/2019 16:53:25