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194378.1
Date: 08/17/2011 03:15:35
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Currently i am observing with my attendance numbers.

Since the strt of the PlayOff without an price change over the season, i have exactly the same attaendance during every game. It is no curiousity looking at VIP; lower Tie and courtside seats cause i simply don't ask for the right prices. But the amount of people willing to pay 19 Bucks for a game of mine is constant too, and i have a lot of free seats. Independent from my survey(first game without TV, Rival and previous game which normally hurts the attandance) or the opponent who comes to me with a win or without.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/26206/arena.aspx

So possible conclusions:

- We don't have a soft cap, but we have different hard caps for different entry fees?

- the opponents don't have even a slight influence on attandance?

- or ... ehm thats your turn!

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194378.2 in reply to 194378.1
Date: 08/17/2011 12:45:02
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194378.3 in reply to 194378.2
Date: 08/17/2011 13:40:07
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i included the entry fees into the hard cap?

Or does your answer implys that opposition don't count?

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194378.4 in reply to 194378.3
Date: 08/17/2011 15:00:03
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I think this example makes that conclusions are obvious.

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194378.5 in reply to 194378.4
Date: 08/18/2011 04:08:03
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I think this example makes that conclusions are obvious.



can u explain this..make no sense for me..thanks :-)

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194378.6 in reply to 194378.5
Date: 08/18/2011 05:07:09
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This team sells "only" ~21,5k tickets (and still has free seats).
But he has tickets for $ 6.
Please note - $ 6 in first division. It is good price for 4th div or something like that.
I saw many teams (with similar arena proportion) where tickets cost $ 18+ and these teams sell over than 19k (or maybe even 20k) tickets. But in typical situation (under 15k) when You decrease prices by triple then number of sold ticket should be at least twice higher.
But in this case number of sold tickets is very similar, no matter whether tickets cost $ 6 or $ 18.
So it means we have artificial limit of selling and this limit is independent (or almost indepent) of price.

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194378.7 in reply to 194378.6
Date: 08/18/2011 05:31:23
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sorry dude..i still dont unterstand why ur example make Crazys question futile ?

his target was to figure out what he can do, or if its possible, to make..or better how high is the arena revenue mountain and what equipment did he need to reach the top

..that hes sellin more bleacher tickets if he decrease the price wasnt the point..the question is how can u balance bleachers and lower tier to get MAXIMUM revenue

if thats the task i still didnt think that ur example is very helpfull

:-)

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194378.8 in reply to 194378.7
Date: 08/18/2011 05:46:52
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it is neither of those question, the thing is in my case why are the sold tickets always the same.

1. We have a soft cap, so we don't get the same result once we are over a limit.

2. Opponents influence the numbers of visitor coming.

3. And also my survey was slightly different, druring the PO it is always different and my first league match was without the rival and tv survey points.

But how are 2 and 3 corresponding to 1, when the amount of visitors willing to pay 19 bucks never change. Is there an hardcap for each bleacher price, besides the softcap?(i know that more then my visitors are possible but i always get the same visitors night in and night out in different circumstances, and bleachers fluaktuate a lot normally)

From: 7ton

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194378.9 in reply to 194378.8
Date: 08/18/2011 10:03:21
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1. Yes, there is a soft cap, but not in this sense. There is always a hard cap for every arena size - no matter how low you set the price, the attendance will never exceed this cap. For example, 20k size, max = 19.5k. In your case, 21.8k size, max = 20.16k. Arena size below ~19k-20k, max = arena size. This cap would increase as you expand your arena further. But it would be under 100% of arena size once its past ~19k-20k. In this sense, it is a soft cap. I still haven't found a formula to determine the hard cap for each arena size. More examples will help.

2. Not anymore because it's very likely that your prices are too low.

3. Same as 2.

You should fine-tune your prices so that your attendance is slightly under 20.16k. (assuming you don't expand your arena anymore)

From: CrazyEye

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194378.10 in reply to 194378.9
Date: 08/18/2011 10:12:27
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that could be a valid theory but i doubt it, when they implemented the softcap we had to destruct our arenas depending on price experiemence where we had around 3-4 different prices to test. If the decreasing alone impact the result this would have been a mean test when you debuild(and some got ~40 or 45k arenas) and you notice those extra 2-4k ain't coming anymore.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 08/18/2011 10:12:40

From: 7ton

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194378.11 in reply to 194378.10
Date: 08/18/2011 10:37:02
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You can try it out if you don't believe it: Expand your arena a bit (100-200) and you will see your attendance hit above 20.16k when you are in the playoff or your face d1 opponents in the cup. (assuming you don't charge too much)